Heathens, Druids, and Pagans oh my!

Over the weekend I was reminded of a situation that I was in several years ago, and thought it was worth sharing.

There’s a local pagan festival that I attend (and teach at) annually where I do to Sumbels, one to open the festival, and one to close it.  I’d learned the tradition of Sumbel from Raven Kindred South, and found that it built such a feeling of community that it had value for the pagan community as a whole.  My Sumbels (much to the frustration of many Asatruar) do not have many restrictions on which deities you toast.   I do ask that you try to toast a Norse deity, however, the only one I typically ask that you not toast (and have made exceptions for in rare circumstances) is Loki.   Other than that, given that the festival is ecumenical in nature, I allow people to toast the deity of their choosing.  I realize it’s extremely controversial; however, it also has served as a gateway to community building, and for some people, their entrance into heathenism.

At one of the very first Sumbels I did, a number of druids showed up.  It was an interesting mix.  There were several “experienced” heathens, a number of druids, and a large number of “eclectic pagans.”  The Sumbel lasted many many rounds, and the camaraderie was outstanding.  Friendships were built, stories were told, and it was quite celebratory.

After the ritual ended, a number of the “eclectic pagans” came up to me and said that they were confused.  They couldn’t understand how druids and other Celtic practitioners could be welcomed into my Sumbel, and how we could interact with each other in a jovial fashion.  After all, weren’t the Celts and vikings at war with each other for hundreds of years?

There was a person from the “druid side” there and we looked at each other and came up with almost exactly the same answer. First, just because 1000 years ago we fought, and sometimes even fight today, does not mean we can’t sit down and raise a horn with each other.  In fact, hospitality practically demands it.

But perhaps even more appropriate was that we both said that while the heathens and Celts may differ on some issues of ethics and religion,  the two are definitely closer to each other than the vast majority of the other pagan religions.  It’s the “I may have a nit to pick with the druids, but at least we’re almost on the same page… Other pagans seem to be in a different book than us.”

My $.02 on  a Monday Morning.

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More on the ends justifying the means and Heathenism

On Monday I was driving home, listening as I do to talk radio, and there was a conservative talk show host talking about the latest Supreme Court nominee, Kagan.

To no one’s surprise, the commentator was vehemently opposed to this person serving on the Supreme Court.  However, what did interest me is he talked about using “any and all means” to stop confirmation.  He then said, “Yes, I know, when conservative nominees were up, I complained at length about how liberals used any tactics possible, whether they be right or wrong to block the nomination, and you’re probably saying that I’m a hypocrite.”

And he then went on to talk about how this nominee was so offensive that it justified using these means.

Hence why I’ve become disillusioned with both parties.   Both sides of the aisle have concluded that their goals are so important, that any means whatsoever justifies their actions.

What happened to the concept of governing by principles?  If something is wrong, its just wrong, no matter what the intent is. We should not, as people of conscience, hide behind the idea that if we don’t take on certain actions, fire will fall from the sky, cats and dogs will live together, and the seventh seal will be broken.

In fact, one could argue that “good intentions” are what causes us to go down the path that leads us to problems anyway.  It is far better to stand on our core values, and let them guide us to a conclusion, rather than allowing the conclusion to determine our core principles.

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Politics and Heathen Ethics

 

 

If we look at the nine noble virtues (which, is admittedly a shortcut to heathen ethics), we see that the virtues don’t focus on “the ends.”  In fact, they largely focus on “the means.”   We’re to be true in our dealings with others, we’re to be productive individuals, regardless of our pursuits.

The virtues don’t say “become wealthy” or give you a goal.   They tell you how one should behave in community.

Now when we think of “being heathen” we should also take into consideration that our actions can also be defined by what “segment” the individual falls into.   I’ve concluded there are six segments:

 

  • Ourselves
  • Our family and Hearth
  • Our Community
  • Our Friends
  • People we don’t know
  • Our Opposition, or people that are known to be hostile to us

 

So the question is, as a given person or persons “moves down” the scale, should are means/ends threshold change as well?

For example, if we’re dealing with our family, its my belief as a heathen that the ends would probably never result a justification of the means pushing the edges of our ethics.

On the other hand, if its someone we are in opposition to, are “all bets off?”   Because we know they actively are hostile to us, when dealing with this group of people, does any ends justify any means?  It would seem that in today’s political environment, this is what is presumed.   Either that or we have to assume that politicians believe that their ends are so important they in fact justify any means.  Personally, I don’t think for many politicians this is truly the case.

So ultimately, when we’re looking at “pushing our ethical standards” we aren’t on a two axis “ends/means” chart, but rather a three axis “ends/means/who we’re dealing with” chart.   Fairly complicated, and each Heathen has to come to their own understanding of how any given situation sits on that chart.

However, what I would argue is that the “who we’re dealing with” axis, as we grow as people, should become less and less a factor.   It’s a bit idealistic, but that’s what we should shoot for.

A little something to think about before Beltaine.

 

 

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